BentRod
10/15/2012 10:19:00 AMLOL. JJ, I really thought fishing was going to be on fire yesterday. Sorry to hear about your troubles. Six hours....wow. There is usually some guy on the bridge trying to fish......never understood why they even try. Pure brilliance. At least you were able to hook a few. Great report. Stopped by the river this morning. Water was high and moving fast. Saw a few fish jetting around the eddies close to the bank. Didn't bother to wet a line. There was a seal out in the hole. Maybe try later.
HOOKEDONFISHING
10/15/2012 11:45:00 AMI always wonder what people are thinking. How are they you going to bring a fish up on the bridge or the edge where the tires are at?
salmonlander
10/15/2012 12:39:00 PMSnaggers are the kind of people who buy a sheep to write off as an entertainment expense and has no idea how he got syphilis and when his wife leaves him over it he figures hey thats ok, at least they is still brother and sister.
the piranha
10/15/2012 1:04:00 PMI call weighted treble hooks "silver spiders," sounds like like that buzz bomb is off spring. A guy that I work with says "it is the best feeling in the world, when you see a school of fish coming up the river, you cast in front of them, then YANK, fish on." I don't have the heart to tell him how I really feel though. He loves the Skokomish.
jumpinjim
10/15/2012 1:05:00 PM@ BentRod - Simples, they are not trying to fish, they are looking to snag. From a bridge it is easy, since you can see the fish coming up, get your your snaggle gear ready resting on the bottom of the river and then Snagaru as they pass by!!! As the regs clearly state, and not many would argue, this is not fishing, this is Poaching. I personally think the difference is Food vs Fun. They might have fun too, but the Sustance is paramount in the operation.
@Hookedonfishing - Simples x2 - They have a modified Crab Pot with an extra big opening, they Snag the fish using snaggified buzz bomb then drag it over to the crab pot where it is then hoisted up to the bridge for further processing. It is a simple yet effective operation, so much so that it is worth buying Gloomis rods!
@Hookedonfishing - Simples x2 - They have a modified Crab Pot with an extra big opening, they Snag the fish using snaggified buzz bomb then drag it over to the crab pot where it is then hoisted up to the bridge for further processing. It is a simple yet effective operation, so much so that it is worth buying Gloomis rods!
BentRod
10/15/2012 1:17:00 PMI've actually seen people try to use a spinner or corkie&yarn off the bridge when the bank is crowded. Futile.
HOOKEDONFISHING
10/15/2012 1:32:00 PMI seen a guy with a little red and white clip on bobber fishing off just left his bobber right in the middle of my drift until I yelled up at him he is going to have to move it . Then I asked him how expected to bring it up . I didn't see any crab pot. Everyone that I have seen fish off of the bridge have never caught a fish mostly because anyone trying to actually fish off of the bridge has no clue to what they are doing.
jumpinjim
10/15/2012 2:55:00 PM@HOOKEDONFISHING - Not going to argue with you about bridge fishin in general, HOWEVER, these guys were somewhere in between Expert Amatuer and Pro Level Snaggers, they had an answer for everything, from line wgt, keeping those hooks sharp, crab pot operation, proper sunglasses for snaggspotting, even what type of rope to use on the crab pot to prevent blisters on your hands. But wait that's not all the one guy even discussed the best types of Rod Actions, because heaving a salmon into the crab pot should not be attempted with anything other than a heavy action rod.
Of course despite all this knowledge you would think they would know the difference between a King and a Coho. When I asked him what the biggest one he had ever snagged was, he proudly said in over 20lbs, it was almost to big for the pot, but clarified that the bigger ones look and taste different so they prefer the smaller ones....
Of course despite all this knowledge you would think they would know the difference between a King and a Coho. When I asked him what the biggest one he had ever snagged was, he proudly said in over 20lbs, it was almost to big for the pot, but clarified that the bigger ones look and taste different so they prefer the smaller ones....
knotabassturd
10/15/2012 3:25:00 PMUgh... Jumpinjim let's hope they are Native Americans showing others how their ancestors did it with the 'modified ancestral weeping willow branch' (you know, the G Loomis graphite kind that can be grafted onto willows as X-Mas gifts for the younguns during the holidays).
Shrug... ('OL GREY DOG style)...
Shrug... ('OL GREY DOG style)...
hopelesscanuck
10/15/2012 4:31:00 PMDear JJ,
Today I decided to join the WA Lakes forum. Myself and a fellow coworker have been diligently following your walake posts and youtube posts demonstrating how you tie your deadly jigs (thank you for sharing btw - not many would do this). That said, we have tied I can't tell you how many of these and tried them to no avail. (ok my colleague has hooked a few and landed one). Myself on the other hand have been out about 20-30 times this season and have only a few follows to show for it. This is embarassing. I'm Canadian... I feel like I should be able to do better. I mean you would think I might have lucked out and hooked something by now right?!! Furthermore as a fellow Jesus fan, I've said prayers in the hopes the good Lord might help out!! Perhaps I need to cast my line to "the other side" of the river?!?! Should you have pity and care to explain more the action you provide these majestic jigs of yours I would be ever so grateful!!
Sincerely,
hopelesscanuck (Loren)
Today I decided to join the WA Lakes forum. Myself and a fellow coworker have been diligently following your walake posts and youtube posts demonstrating how you tie your deadly jigs (thank you for sharing btw - not many would do this). That said, we have tied I can't tell you how many of these and tried them to no avail. (ok my colleague has hooked a few and landed one). Myself on the other hand have been out about 20-30 times this season and have only a few follows to show for it. This is embarassing. I'm Canadian... I feel like I should be able to do better. I mean you would think I might have lucked out and hooked something by now right?!! Furthermore as a fellow Jesus fan, I've said prayers in the hopes the good Lord might help out!! Perhaps I need to cast my line to "the other side" of the river?!?! Should you have pity and care to explain more the action you provide these majestic jigs of yours I would be ever so grateful!!
Sincerely,
hopelesscanuck (Loren)
HOOKEDONFISHING
10/15/2012 4:50:00 PMI wasn't saying that people don't snag off of the bridge . I believe you 100 % percent . I was just talking about the random people I have seen fishing off the bridge and me thinking what the hell are they thinking.
The Quadfather
10/15/2012 9:24:00 PMWhere are the Youtube posts located? couldn't find anything under "Jumpinjim" except non fishing stuff...?
jumpinjim
10/15/2012 10:29:00 PM@HopelessCanuk - There are quite a few variables to Jig fishing that set it apart from other methods, really it is much closer to flyfishing than anything else. I will put a little more detail but apart from being out with someone it is hard to describe. Listed in order of importance.
1. Jig - (color pattern, material, size, wgt, etc)
2. Method of Movement (Twitched, Snapped, Flicked, Jerked, Pulled, Shaken etc..)
3. Timing of Movements
4. Depth of Movements
5. Presentation Method (Under a Float, Free Casted)
The location you are fishing and what your fishing for, and the current attitude of the fish in the system is going to determine almost all of the above. Coho in one river will not respond to the same thing that Coho do in another river, perhaps in select cases but there are techniques that I employ on the Olympic Pen. Rivers that are looked at by Coho in the Green and not even given a second glance. Coho in the green respond best to an initial Jerk that gets the fishes attention, then very light twitching as the jig falls deeper a light jerk up and more twitching. DO NOT jerk that jig even close to a school moving up, sudden motions of jerking in schools on the green will spook them and they will scatter like a shotgun shell. There are too many snaggers lurking at every bank that these fish have learned to be wary, although schools on other less abused rivers will respond with absolute explosive aggression to big nasty jerks as they are moving in to view. Next thing is that the ocean run fish in just about any river generally use the banks to navigate, so if you are just tossing the jig in the middle and going for it , your probably wasting your time, coho generally like structure too, but on the green they mostly move through the lower system before getting the hunker down, mill around in a hole behavior that they display elsewhere quicker. Knowing this you need to get to know your area of the river, how they like to run, what times, and then how they approach the run, and how they move out of the run. See your going to get about 3 shots to get them interested. First shot is as the approach your area, that is when you want to be presenting your jig as schools move in, then as they pass you should be working them, and finally make a last effort to get your jig well ahead of the school and give a presentation as the leave your area. If you don't know the routes they like to travel doing those three presentations is hard. Often I catch fish on that last cast as they are leaving, several fish have seen it a few times, the last cast it is in the water well before they arrive (dropping jigs on top of a moving school -not milling- rarely works, and can end up in snags). So
1. Jig - (color pattern, material, size, wgt, etc)
2. Method of Movement (Twitched, Snapped, Flicked, Jerked, Pulled, Shaken etc..)
3. Timing of Movements
4. Depth of Movements
5. Presentation Method (Under a Float, Free Casted)
The location you are fishing and what your fishing for, and the current attitude of the fish in the system is going to determine almost all of the above. Coho in one river will not respond to the same thing that Coho do in another river, perhaps in select cases but there are techniques that I employ on the Olympic Pen. Rivers that are looked at by Coho in the Green and not even given a second glance. Coho in the green respond best to an initial Jerk that gets the fishes attention, then very light twitching as the jig falls deeper a light jerk up and more twitching. DO NOT jerk that jig even close to a school moving up, sudden motions of jerking in schools on the green will spook them and they will scatter like a shotgun shell. There are too many snaggers lurking at every bank that these fish have learned to be wary, although schools on other less abused rivers will respond with absolute explosive aggression to big nasty jerks as they are moving in to view. Next thing is that the ocean run fish in just about any river generally use the banks to navigate, so if you are just tossing the jig in the middle and going for it , your probably wasting your time, coho generally like structure too, but on the green they mostly move through the lower system before getting the hunker down, mill around in a hole behavior that they display elsewhere quicker. Knowing this you need to get to know your area of the river, how they like to run, what times, and then how they approach the run, and how they move out of the run. See your going to get about 3 shots to get them interested. First shot is as the approach your area, that is when you want to be presenting your jig as schools move in, then as they pass you should be working them, and finally make a last effort to get your jig well ahead of the school and give a presentation as the leave your area. If you don't know the routes they like to travel doing those three presentations is hard. Often I catch fish on that last cast as they are leaving, several fish have seen it a few times, the last cast it is in the water well before they arrive (dropping jigs on top of a moving school -not milling- rarely works, and can end up in snags). So
jumpinjim
10/15/2012 11:32:00 PMOh and Quad try this link to a past report if this is what you are talking about
Past Report with Jiggity clips
Past Report with Jiggity clips
BentRod
10/16/2012 9:21:00 AMGreat details Jim. Thanks. @hopeless: Don't feel bad. I've been out 19 times over a month and have brought home a total of four fish (should have been 5). I have benefitted from Jim's videos and have employed his jigs successfully. However, I have much to learn in regards to this method and like most other methods, it takes a certain amount of skill. Maybe that is why there are so many snaggers out there, people who are unwilling to learn. This site if full of helpful people, so welcome and I recommend taking advantage of the forum and using Private Messages. Best of luck.
hopelesscanuck
10/16/2012 9:48:00 AM@Bent Rod - Thanks for the encouragement
@JJ - My coworker here at REI read your advice and wanted me to say thanks Professor! I also thank you! This gives me a good starting place, and hopefully I'll get one this season!
@JJ - My coworker here at REI read your advice and wanted me to say thanks Professor! I also thank you! This gives me a good starting place, and hopefully I'll get one this season!
jumpinjim
10/16/2012 10:04:00 AM@Canuk - Professor? Uh Oh looks like my cover might be blown, is your co-worker a whitewater boater?
BentRod
10/16/2012 1:49:00 PMI dunno Jim...."Professor" it might be. LOL. I ran down at lunch and changed up my presentation a little based on your write-up and the conditions I was fishing. Water was certainly not looking fishy, but after a while I managed to bring in a chrome hen. :)
bassassassin0
10/17/2012 12:52:00 PMwow you guys are crazy....you guys do realize that 99% of salmon do not actually bite once in the river right? and most of the time when you catch a salmon, even in the mouth, it's because they run into your line and you floss the hook into their lip...wether its a jig or a corky. So all this talk about how flossin is bad, is complete BS. 20$ says you were flossin em' too last time you caught a salmon in the mouth, u just didn't know it. If you hook from the gills forward, whats the problem? I hardly ever see salmon actually HIT any lure like a steelhead or bass would once they hit the river where it actually swallows it, or gets aggressive and bites down and shakes the lure. To be honest, if you're good at flossin and catch more fish legally than anyone else, you're a damn good fisherman. Takes much more skill then fishing blindly and waiting for something to happen. You guys need to relax. What you need to be looking out for is people using treble hooks right now or keeping fish they've hooked in the back, or the tail. That's not legal. The art of flossing is effective but very hard to master. Tight lines ya'll
Metal
10/17/2012 10:56:00 PMBassassassin you have 0 clue what your talking about. I guess I flossed all my coho today on a float and eggs. And I guess all my spoon and spinner fish this fall have all been flossed too. When I can see them chasing my blue fox and they hammer it I guess they're actually coming up and rubbing their jaws on my line instead.
jumpinjim
10/18/2012 8:40:00 AM@Metal - You gotta love bASS-ASSASIN, opinions are great. I think that while eggs on a float are going to be highly unlikey to floss, eggs on a drift can get the occasional flossin, depending on how you run it. There is almost a zero chance of flossing with a spinner or jig because of how the lure runs in the water. ALSO saying salmon don't bite once in a river is funny which leads me to believe the AssAsin is a TROLL. But for the sake of discussion, Salmon stop feeding, and eating in freshwater, most of the biting and striking is out of aggression, territory and instinct once they are in a river, so yea they don't cruise around looking for meals like Bass or Trout, but Strikes and Bites are common and frequent.