No way, I get that a lot.Shad_Eating_Grin wrote:I'll write up a PM later and send to you Jens.jens wrote:I will say that it took much me longer to catch a Steelhead than I thought, but even so, I don't think they are easy to catch.
Maybe you can share the rivers and spots you fish for Steelhead? I'd like to compare notes.
We PM'ed each other last year about saltwater perch fishing south of Tacoma. I gotta do that--I find that type of fishing more very relaxing (and no combat!!) :-)
BTW Is this you in this clip (smallhookbigfish)? pY_Ve-we_PQ
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Or you could just avoid combat fishing all together........
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A fish isnt worth getting into a fight over. Its all about mutual respect.Boaters/Bankers /Waders.Its really best to get along. I dont go do the Skok. I did a few years ago but stopped that. I fish for peace of mind and having a relaxing good time. I dont need boaters clipping my line cuz I'm plunking.Buzzing through a hole dosent bother me its when they fly up over my line that will git you in the rears with me.
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I sure some people start these threads just to get a response... Most of you guys all have valid points, as my mate Ron White says "you cant fix stupid!" I personally do every thing in my power to avoid crossing lines, driving over peoples lines slowing down where i can. I actually go skinny side to avoid other boat anchored in the channel, where else can i go? Nevertheless we all have to share the river and it should be treated like a road with traffic going up and coming down.
Off topic but really irritating me this summer is people water skiing right in front of my bow 50' and falling off, im like WT* dude do you want your kid tangled up...and there amazed in they havent done nothing wrong...gee...
Off topic but really irritating me this summer is people water skiing right in front of my bow 50' and falling off, im like WT* dude do you want your kid tangled up...and there amazed in they havent done nothing wrong...gee...
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I started this thread to help those that are a little shy about trying combat fishing to get them to try it and try to avoid mistakes we all made when we first stepped into the river. Honestly, I don't know how sleds versus bankies got in this topic?sickbayer wrote:I sure some people start these threads just to get a response... Most of you guys all have valid points, as my mate Ron White says "you cant fix stupid!" I personally do every thing in my power to avoid crossing lines, driving over peoples lines slowing down where i can. I actually go skinny side to avoid other boat anchored in the channel, where else can i go? Nevertheless we all have to share the river and it should be treated like a road with traffic going up and coming down.
Off topic but really irritating me this summer is people water skiing right in front of my bow 50' and falling off, im like WT* dude do you want your kid tangled up...and there amazed in they havent done nothing wrong...gee...
Anyways, it took me years and years of driving past all the cars and people lined up on the river and seeing guys carrying huge fish out. "That could be me!" A buddy tried it before I did and of course hearing his excitement and seeing his fish, I joined him one morning. I casted out of order, I waded out in the river to retrieve my gear, I longlined, I casted whenever I seen an opening to cast. I used the wrong gear. I was that guy. I know better now. I hope this topic will reach out to a newbie and get them to try it out.
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everybody is new to something it just takes time and asking questions
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How about this addition - If you foul hook one and it doesn't leave the hole, break it off immediately. Letting it thrash around in the holding zones is bad for everyone including yourself.
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I agree, but sometimes it is tough to see if it is foul or not. I remember last fall this guy thought his fish was foul and was trying to break him off and when he did, a gorgeous chrome pig Silver leaps clear out of the water exposing his gear hanging from his upper jaw. Ooops. But I do hear what you are saying. Good tip.Eoso wrote:How about this addition - If you foul hook one and it doesn't leave the hole, break it off immediately. Letting it thrash around in the holding zones is bad for everyone including yourself.
The number 1 complaint I have heard from everyone who has fished the Skok recently is casting order.
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casting order is hard to learn for some and yelling profanities does not work
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What's hard about it, the person at the bottom of the hole should cast first......damn easy if you ask me. What should I bring poster board and big crayons and write it out in big bold bright lettering for them? The biggest problem is people not being patient, some people use les weight so they drift through the hole faster and pull there lines out faster or do as long of a drift as some others do. They just have a problem waiting on everyone else and want to get there lines back out in the water in hopes to hook into a fish.
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The way I see it, what is 3 or 4 seconds of waiting for another person to finish their drift compared to several minutes untangling another persons line?scott080379 wrote:What's hard about it, the person at the bottom of the hole should cast first......damn easy if you ask me. What should I bring poster board and big crayons and write it out in big bold bright lettering for them? The biggest problem is people not being patient, some people use les weight so they drift through the hole faster and pull there lines out faster or do as long of a drift as some others do. They just have a problem waiting on everyone else and want to get there lines back out in the water in hopes to hook into a fish.
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I wonder how often someone actually tries to talk to the person that doesn't cast in order?
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I remember a while ago when Allentown was the place to catch Steel. Guys purposley would throw out rims with wires,metal parts from the junkyard across the road by the cowfield. They do it to keep their hole free from moochers.If they casted anywhere but in the spot it was snagged. That stuff used to crack mr up watching people go to such games just trying to catch a Steelhead.There are still folks that will say "this is my hole" I tell them to wake up earllier next time.People go to great lengths to own something that isnt theirs.
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bionic_one wrote:I wonder how often someone actually tries to talk to the person that doesn't cast in order?
I try to talk to anyone close to me after they tangle my line or someone elses. I wait until then.
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bionic_one wrote:I wonder how often someone actually tries to talk to the person that doesn't cast in order?
I have no problem tellin a fella. You win some, you lose some. I just think people just don't know. I sure as hell didn't know about casting order until a nice old timer told me to wait...then I got it. If people aren't told, then they will continue to think they aren't doing anything wrong.
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Interesting topic.
All just my opinion:
Certainly casting order is very important and obvious if you watch everyone else.
But first off, people should watch the rhythm of the crowd first and how far out they are. If people next to the area you walk into are 3 feet out in 8 inches of water making casts that drift 10 feet in front of them when straight out, then try the same even if you want to be in 3 feet of water with your waders and casting 30 feet out. If you want to drift further out than their drifts or want to wade out much beyond where they are ask first or just stick with what they're doing. The further out you go, the more you likely are to scare fish AND upset other anglers IMO. Also watch the angle they take when casting AND reeling in from their drifts. Hopefully everyone is using about the same angles.
One thing I notice with combat fishing is how many times everyone seems to creep out a little further with time. I do understand covering water but a lot of times fish are pretty close to shore along seams with the main current. This is one prob I don't like w/combat fishing. I'll go to a drift I like and find people wading almost right where I want to DRIFT my rig LOL. And where I caught fish a day earlier! Of course this can work against me- if I want that drift where everyone is wading I can't- I have to adapt to what they're doing since they're there first. Now if I short drift and hook a fish 5 feet in front of them w/o crossing up other people in their drifts I might try to politely suggest the best drift might be close in and not along the far bank
It does make sense people want a 'good drift' and getting just a little further out than the next person sometimes frees up some drift space (esp if people aren't follwoing the ettiquette rules) but use good judgement about how far others are making their drifts and adapt to it. Hopefully more than two feet of good drift but who knows with combat fishing when it's thick...
One grandaddy rule is: first person there gets dibs within reason.
Try to be reasonable and courteous with anyone that was there before you. If you are courteous, many times they'll make a quick judgement of how well you follow the etiquette 'rules' (like casting order) in short order and let you in where you want. But be willing to accept their space unless it is obvious they are 'hogging' territory- if people are spaced 5 feet apart but then in one area one guy occupies 30 feet of space type thing.
And take your time walking in, don't run right out.
With sleds- they do have to get up and down river and being planed on top of water with speed is much less risky for them (and less disruptive to the water) to avoid bottoming out than slowing down and displaces less water so less disruptive to fish in some ways. HOWEVER, much like cars in the road boaters NEED to yield to anyone wading in the water. If the water is deep enough, be willing to lay off the throttle IMO and of course even if an idiot is wading neck deep in the middle of the channel you gotta avoid them (or maybe save them from drowning LOL). Many boaters know the river and channels well enough to know when they can and can't get away with slowing down. I don't own a boat/sled and haven't really actively and seriously fished rivers for almost 20 years, just sporadic trips when fish are thick enough to get allowed out:) . So if you think what I say is all one man's poo, you'd be right. Just my opinion though
Oh ya, one other Grandaddy rule is- it aint worth it... i.e. if you are getting upset enough to start cussing at someone, it aint worth doing it. Take a break or maybe even pack up and move on. Repeating a lot of what others said but thought I'd put in a penny's worth.
Of course the other IMPORTANT rules like take a kid fishing, be patient with them, share the wealth especially to newbies and people politely following 'the rules', make fishing enjoyable and not stressful, etc etc apply! Good luck everyone!!!
All just my opinion:
Certainly casting order is very important and obvious if you watch everyone else.
But first off, people should watch the rhythm of the crowd first and how far out they are. If people next to the area you walk into are 3 feet out in 8 inches of water making casts that drift 10 feet in front of them when straight out, then try the same even if you want to be in 3 feet of water with your waders and casting 30 feet out. If you want to drift further out than their drifts or want to wade out much beyond where they are ask first or just stick with what they're doing. The further out you go, the more you likely are to scare fish AND upset other anglers IMO. Also watch the angle they take when casting AND reeling in from their drifts. Hopefully everyone is using about the same angles.
One thing I notice with combat fishing is how many times everyone seems to creep out a little further with time. I do understand covering water but a lot of times fish are pretty close to shore along seams with the main current. This is one prob I don't like w/combat fishing. I'll go to a drift I like and find people wading almost right where I want to DRIFT my rig LOL. And where I caught fish a day earlier! Of course this can work against me- if I want that drift where everyone is wading I can't- I have to adapt to what they're doing since they're there first. Now if I short drift and hook a fish 5 feet in front of them w/o crossing up other people in their drifts I might try to politely suggest the best drift might be close in and not along the far bank
It does make sense people want a 'good drift' and getting just a little further out than the next person sometimes frees up some drift space (esp if people aren't follwoing the ettiquette rules) but use good judgement about how far others are making their drifts and adapt to it. Hopefully more than two feet of good drift but who knows with combat fishing when it's thick...
One grandaddy rule is: first person there gets dibs within reason.
Try to be reasonable and courteous with anyone that was there before you. If you are courteous, many times they'll make a quick judgement of how well you follow the etiquette 'rules' (like casting order) in short order and let you in where you want. But be willing to accept their space unless it is obvious they are 'hogging' territory- if people are spaced 5 feet apart but then in one area one guy occupies 30 feet of space type thing.
And take your time walking in, don't run right out.
With sleds- they do have to get up and down river and being planed on top of water with speed is much less risky for them (and less disruptive to the water) to avoid bottoming out than slowing down and displaces less water so less disruptive to fish in some ways. HOWEVER, much like cars in the road boaters NEED to yield to anyone wading in the water. If the water is deep enough, be willing to lay off the throttle IMO and of course even if an idiot is wading neck deep in the middle of the channel you gotta avoid them (or maybe save them from drowning LOL). Many boaters know the river and channels well enough to know when they can and can't get away with slowing down. I don't own a boat/sled and haven't really actively and seriously fished rivers for almost 20 years, just sporadic trips when fish are thick enough to get allowed out:) . So if you think what I say is all one man's poo, you'd be right. Just my opinion though
Oh ya, one other Grandaddy rule is- it aint worth it... i.e. if you are getting upset enough to start cussing at someone, it aint worth doing it. Take a break or maybe even pack up and move on. Repeating a lot of what others said but thought I'd put in a penny's worth.
Of course the other IMPORTANT rules like take a kid fishing, be patient with them, share the wealth especially to newbies and people politely following 'the rules', make fishing enjoyable and not stressful, etc etc apply! Good luck everyone!!!
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I remember last year when me and a line of guys were in the river with waders. Then these two people came behind us from shore and casted over us into the river. Then they were drift fishing and thier line was hitting everybody on the line. WE yelled at them and they didnt speak english. Go figure
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Using bobbers helps a ton. I fish the vedder/chilliwack in bc. There is often 4 or 5 people fishing the same hole. if everyone uses bobbers you know exactly where everyones lines are. people hardly ever get tangled with each other
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4 or 5 guys yeah its easy, thats not even combat fishing lol. We are talking 30 people for 1 hole full on get your camo and your bayonet out combat fishing. There you cannot use a bobber. Imagine the skok with bobbers on it? OMG talk about a cluster pluk. I have heard its slowed a bit. But there is still good fish till the next run making their way in.
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It wouldn't be a cluster if people casted in order. [-o<] =d>flinginpooh wrote:4 or 5 guys yeah its easy, thats not even combat fishing lol. We are talking 30 people for 1 hole full on get your camo and your bayonet out combat fishing. There you cannot use a bobber. Imagine the skok with bobbers on it? OMG talk about a cluster pluk. I have heard its slowed a bit. But there is still good fish till the next run making their way in.
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