Another bad day at the Kapowsin Lake boat launch

[strider43]

Yes, it all sucks badly. I agree there is a portion of each of us that wants to set up a "Sting operation"
But seriously, you have to ask yourself what are you prepared to do in the event of a conflict?
I don't pretend to know the law any more than any one of us on here. I can speculate though that confronting a criminal, and engaging in ass-whooping would probably leave one of us open to charges of some sort via the criminal himself!
I don't know what the answer is honestly. Nobody wants to just except being a victim, but standing there and calling 911 sounds like a joke as well. Hiding behind Smith and Wesson only opens you to a lot of paperwork and your own defense attorney.

Unfortunately criminals have more rights than law abiding citizens and there is absolutely no tolerance for taking the law into your own hands. Good way to lose your gun rights or CPL if firearms are involved.

[rickydbasser]

Yes, it all sucks badly. I agree there is a portion of each of us that wants to set up a "Sting operation"
But seriously, you have to ask yourself what are you prepared to do in the event of a conflict?
I don't pretend to know the law any more than any one of us on here. I can speculate though that confronting a criminal, and engaging in ass-whooping would probably leave one of us open to charges of some sort via the criminal himself!
I don't know what the answer is honestly. Nobody wants to just except being a victim, but standing there and calling 911 sounds like a joke as well. Hiding behind Smith and Wesson only opens you to a lot of paperwork and your own defense attorney.

That is the saddest part of this whole dirty game. Like any country crimes, the wait time for the county sheriff to show up can sometimes be best measured in light years. Because there are just a few sheriffs covering such a huge area, all one can hope for is an officer being in the immediate area, which is rarely the case. And what is even more defeating...those doing the break-ins know that. I still fish lakes out in the country, but only those where the parking area is easily visible from the lake. Also, a launch area that is popular with bank anglers is a plus. And the Smith and Wesson avenue. You are, sadly, so right. I knew an older gentleman that was in our bass club. He was coming up the shoreline using his electric motor and saw two men kneeling next to his truck, taking off the tires and wheels. He yelled at them. They yelled back, telling him to mind his own business, old man. He pulled out his 38 revolver and fired off four rounds over their heads. They evacuated the area, leaving behind an estimated $1500 in tools and floor jack. He reported his story to the sheriff. Come to find out, if he would have actually hit and killed one of the thieves, he would have been charged with murder because his life was not in immediate danger....What are ya going to do?????

[Bodofish]

Yes, it all sucks badly. I agree there is a portion of each of us that wants to set up a "Sting operation"
But seriously, you have to ask yourself what are you prepared to do in the event of a conflict?
I don't pretend to know the law any more than any one of us on here. I can speculate though that confronting a criminal, and engaging in ass-whooping would probably leave one of us open to charges of some sort via the criminal himself!
I don't know what the answer is honestly. Nobody wants to just except being a victim, but standing there and calling 911 sounds like a joke as well. Hiding behind Smith and Wesson only opens you to a lot of paperwork and your own defense attorney.

That is the saddest part of this whole dirty game. Like any country crimes, the wait time for the county sheriff to show up can sometimes be best measured in light years. Because there are just a few sheriffs covering such a huge area, all one can hope for is an officer being in the immediate area, which is rarely the case. And what is even more defeating...those doing the break-ins know that. I still fish lakes out in the country, but only those where the parking area is easily visible from the lake. Also, a launch area that is popular with bank anglers is a plus. And the Smith and Wesson avenue. You are, sadly, so right. I knew an older gentleman that was in our bass club. He was coming up the shoreline using his electric motor and saw two men kneeling next to his truck, taking off the tires and wheels. He yelled at them. They yelled back, telling him to mind his own business, old man. He pulled out his 38 revolver and fired off four rounds over their heads. They evacuated the area, leaving behind an estimated $1500 in tools and floor jack. He reported his story to the sheriff. Come to find out, if he would have actually hit and killed one of the thieves, he would have been charged with murder because his life was not in immediate danger....What are ya going to do?????

I've tried to make that point over and over, it just falls on deaf ears.

[HoytDaddy_6]

Here's an idea, have a buddy take his boat out, stay back hiding in the back seat. If anyone breaks in blast em, then tell the cops you were sleeping and thought they were going to hurt you.

[HoytDaddy_6]

Imagine their faces when you pop up out of the back seat.

[rickydbasser]

Here's an idea, have a buddy take his boat out, stay back hiding in the back seat. If anyone breaks in blast em, then tell the cops you were sleeping and thought they were going to hurt you.

I have a little reality check on actually pulling a gun on another person. I've had a concealed weapons permit for almost all of my adult life, and carry a gun, except when common sense dictates otherwise. What I don't think most of us mocho men realize is the seriousness of pulling a gun on another person. Forget about the law, I'm talking about the feeling that courses through the normal body when that action is taken. In all my years I have only pulled my gun on one person. I will not go into detail other than to say he was blatantly taking something of mine right before my eyes. When he said he would kick my ass if I tried to stop him, I pulled my gun. Immediately I felt a combination of shock and fear. My first thought was, Dear Lord, am I willing to kill this person? And what was really scary was once that gun was pulled the point of no return was crossed. Either that person was going to back down or if he called my bluff and came toward me I would have to shoot him. Luckily he backed down. Bottom line, pulling a gun on another person much less killing that person is not the same as watching it on television. And I pray to God that I never have to do it again.

[dea]

Holy heck that is scary.

[fishinChristian]

Anybody got access to those exploding dye packs banks use? Put an old tackle box or container in the back of an old pickup, video, and put it on u-tube. If the first one doesn't open it there, repeat. Unfortunately, from what I've seen there, there'd be plenty of opportunities. Pond 4 on I-82 is like that when the gate makes you walk through the tunnel. I've seen it when broken safety glass literally was more common in the parking area than gravel!

[fishinChristian]

Had a similar experience to Rickydbasser, and yeah, you better resolve what is worth life and death before pulling a gun. Never have seen an object worth a death. Mine experience sort of simpler, the guy was intending to kill, not steal. Thank God I've never had to use deadly force with a human. I pray it stays that way. Glad it turned out that way for you, too, RDB.

[strider43]

Here's an idea, have a buddy take his boat out, stay back hiding in the back seat. If anyone breaks in blast em, then tell the cops you were sleeping and thought they were going to hurt you.

I have a little reality check on actually pulling a gun on another person. I've had a concealed weapons permit for almost all of my adult life, and carry a gun, except when common sense dictates otherwise. What I don't think most of us mocho men realize is the seriousness of pulling a gun on another person. Forget about the law, I'm talking about the feeling that courses through the normal body when that action is taken. In all my years I have only pulled my gun on one person. I will not go into detail other than to say he was blatantly taking something of mine right before my eyes. When he said he would kick my ass if I tried to stop him, I pulled my gun. Immediately I felt a combination of shock and fear. My first thought was, Dear Lord, am I willing to kill this person? And what was really scary was once that gun was pulled the point of no return was crossed. Either that person was going to back down or if he called my bluff and came toward me I would have to shoot him. Luckily he backed down. Bottom line, pulling a gun on another person much less killing that person is not the same as watching it on television. And I pray to God that I never have to do it again.

I carry concealed as well and pray that I will never have to use it. What I have learned though some minimal training is that the weapon should never pulled until the crucial moment of my life being truly threatened and the comitment of being ready to pull the trigger to save my life.

[Mike Carey]

Anybody got access to those exploding dye packs banks use? Put an old tackle box or container in the back of an old pickup, video, and put it on u-tube. If the first one doesn't open it there, repeat. Unfortunately, from what I've seen there, there'd be plenty of opportunities. Pond 4 on I-82 is like that when the gate makes you walk through the tunnel. I've seen it when broken safety glass literally was more common in the parking area than gravel!

Suppose said paint got in the person's eye and required a trip to the ER. I'm willing to bet a lawyer could get you on this, "intent to harm" or some such argument.

[fishinChristian]

A lawyer could sue over anything, but you're right. I'm sure they could sue over not doing anything as the guy tripped from taking too big a load from your rig. Can you tell what I think of the AVERAGE lawyer? (there exist good ones, as there exist snow leopards...) I think the actual solution is to vote incumbents out every time till someone gets the message. Note: I didn't say any party's name. Hmmm... Mike, feel free to drop this if you think it will incite too much of a branch topic. My point is like the others. The bad guys are currently unstoppable with the laws and prejudices that are prevalent. Change is going to have to be more fundamental. The suggestions above are FUN and mental, including mine, but until we have people who back the victims and law abiding citizens, nothing changes.

I think we all have some suggestions even less PC (Polite Censorship), but I hope none of us are willing to risk imprisonment to actually carry them out!

[fishinChristian]

And thanks, Mike.

[rickydbasser]

Had a similar experience to Rickydbasser, and yeah, you better resolve what is worth life and death before pulling a gun. Never have seen an object worth a death. Mine experience sort of simpler, the guy was intending to kill, not steal. Thank God I've never had to use deadly force with a human. I pray it stays that way. Glad it turned out that way for you, too, RDB.

Thank you fishinChristian for your reply. Following that advise makes a lot more sense than how I reacted.

[dea]

Pretty soon nobody can afford justice, and then what?