Obama and Clinton

[A9]

I just got an email from my uncle who sent me this via email. He sent me the url to this website:
http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/0 ... vs-clinton

Here's a sweet article (I copied and pasted the important stuff), showing some differences between Clinton and Obama and who's done what...Crazy differences....

I'm not a democrat, I just think that it's pretty important for anyone to see the differences between these two candidates...

I Let’s take a closer look at who’s really qualified and or who’s really working for the good of all of us in the Senate.
Obama or Clinton. Records of these two candidates should be scrutinized in order to make an informed decision.
Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term - 6yrs. - and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law - 20 twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.
These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress, but to save you trouble, I’ll post them here for you.
1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.
2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.
3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.
4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.
6. Name post office after Jonn A. O’Shea.
7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men’s Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men’s Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.
13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.
15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty. Only five of Clinton’s bills are, more substantive. 16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11
18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.
19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.
There you have it, the fact’s straight from the Senate Record.

Now, I would post those of Obama’s, but the list is too substantive, so I’ll mainly categorize.
During the first - 8 - eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills.
He introduced:
233 regarding healthcare reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime-fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights andanti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.

His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These inculded
**the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 – became law,
**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, - became law,
**The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,
**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, - became law,
**The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, In committee, and many more.

In all, since entering the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096.
An impressive record, for someone who supposedly has no record according to some who would prefer that this comparison not be made public.

He’s not just a talker.

He’s a doer.

Peace & Blessings

[shawn]

Wow what a diffrence between the two.Sam thank your Uncle for this article.

[kutthroatkilla]

Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term - 6yrs. - and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law - 20 twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.
4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.
6. Name post office after Jonn A. O’Shea.
9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men’s Lacrosse Team on winning
11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men’s Lacrosse Team on winning
13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on

There you have it, the fact’s straight from the Senate Record.

Obama’s:
During the first - 8 - eight years of his elected service he sponsored over820bills

He introduced:
233 regarding healthcare reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime-fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights andanti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.

I appears to me that Senator Clinton names a lot of things and congratulates a lot of people and accomplishments. Not that that is bad, but I think Obama's accomplishments are actually substantive. He puts into motion issues that really matter and is serious about the issues. Clinton seems to just be recognizing and naming all these "things" and not really changing anything. Obama gets to the core of the issues at hand and should be commended for doing so. I'm neither democrat or republician, so this will help me a little when it comes to voting for Pres. Clinton seems too caught up in the trivial matters that don't make a lot of common sense. Thanks Mr. Kafelafish!

KTK

[kevinb]

Thank you Sam.
I've got a feeling this thread will start some debates. As long as it stays clean and well manored. I say "Sweet"
In years passed I've typically leaned more to the right but I now consider myself an Independant. I knew who was getting my vote this year and this backs it up more. Good stuff Sam

[A9]

I still love the lies Hillary has fabricated too, some are just too funny.

The Bosnia Sniper fire is just hilarious...
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And here is here saying she "misspoke"
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Hilarious...

[kevinb]

I still love the lies Hillary has fabricated too, some are just too funny.

The Bosnia Sniper fire is just hilarious...
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And here is here saying she "misspoke"
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Hilarious...

Funny and a little sad too:-$

[kutthroatkilla]

Good links Sam.

I thought this was funny too:

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KTK

[Gisteppo]

I started out in college as a dyed in the wool republican. Then, working in the public sector and seeing the government from the inside out (through federal and municipal service), I realized just how backwards conservatism was in relation to what the public needs were and how we were trying to meet them.

Ive been an Obama supporter since Edwards dropped out (who is still a better candidate than both the aforementioned), and have cast my vote in that direction already. Both candidates are new, fresh, and mildly untested. Where I see the dichotomy is in Clinton giving us 4 more years of lobbyist influence, corporate control of government, and lazy policymaking (as proven by sam's post).

Look at where Obama received his money: small donations from individuals. His campaign is a financial juggernaut, and he hasn't received lobbyist and corporate donor dollars like Clinton has. He speaks with a tone and a message we haven't heard in a very long time. He is the first politician to happen along in decades that wants, and can provide real CHANGE to the way we run the country, not just a mild curve in the rails we have laid since WW2.

Im with ya on this one Sam.

I sure would like to see what a conservative has to say, esp considering their candidate, one whom the party despised right up until he took the statistical clinch.

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[kevinb]

I started out in college as a dyed in the wool republican. Then, working in the public sector and seeing the government from the inside out (through federal and municipal service), I realized just how backwards conservatism was in relation to what the public needs were and how we were trying to meet them.

Ive been an Obama supporter since Edwards dropped out (who is still a better candidate than both the aforementioned), and have cast my vote in that direction already. Both candidates are new, fresh, and mildly untested. Where I see the dichotomy is in Clinton giving us 4 more years of lobbyist influence, corporate control of government, and lazy policymaking (as proven by sam's post).

Look at where Obama received his money: small donations from individuals. His campaign is a financial juggernaut, and he hasn't received lobbyist and corporate donor dollars like Clinton has. He speaks with a tone and a message we haven't heard in a very long time. He is the first politician to happen along in decades that wants, and can provide real CHANGE to the way we run the country, not just a mild curve in the rails we have laid since WW2.

Im with ya on this one Sam.

I sure would like to see what a conservative has to say, esp considering their candidate, one whom the party despised right up until he took the statistical clinch.

E

Sounds like you and I were stitched from the same cloth.

[Gisteppo]

Funny how things change once you see it from the inside, isnt it......

E

[Rob G.]

Good stuff guys...keep it comin!

[crappiemaster]

that's pretty interesting. The thing that really bothers me is how she and her constituents manage her campaign funds. Couple of times her campaign has been flat broke, or at least that is what the media reports. Kinda makes me nervous about how she would manage our country's budget.

[Demonknight]

Normally I can argue either side of anything...in this however...

McCain is just more of the same
Clinton is, well, better off as a joke in the history books

only one real chance of anything new.

[kevinb]

Funny how things change once you see it from the inside, isnt it......

E

Sure is:-$

[Awoods]

The statement that persuaded my opinion, was "giving 4000 dollars to every student attending college as long as they give back to the community" - Obama. I'm about 18 days too young to vote though . Of course that's not the only thing that persuaded me, but that was the cherry on top.

[mikecrawford16]

I hate them both. I'd still love to have President Bush as a president over them two. They both are the anti-christ.

[A9]

I hate them both. I'd still love to have President Bush as a president over them two. They both are the anti-christ.

That'll spark some debates....

Hillary and Obama are too liberal to get my vote. If the Dems had a moderate running, he'd win in a landslide...

[kevinb]

I hate them both. I'd still love to have President Bush as a president over them two. They both are the anti-christ.

Ouch!!! Here comes a wildfire. I won't jump on 'ya, you are entitled to your opinion. But I have mine too, I'll just say I can't wait to see him go.

P.S. Dick Cheney is the root of all evil:-$

[EastsideRedneck]

Here you go Gisteppo- I am a registered Republican and have voted that way for years. This election will be a difficult one for me. On the left I have Obama and on the right I have McCain; I have mixed feelings about both of them. With the increased role of VP in recent years I will be paying close attention to whom each candidate chooses. That factor alone could be a deal breaker for me on either side.

If Hillary takes the dem's ticket, then it is McCain all the way for me... she scares the heck out of me, kinda like Gregiore here in Washington.

[Gisteppo]

First off, Mike's comment is just an offhanded troll. No content, no opinion, just an attempt to get someone to get angry. It deserves no further consideration.

Eastside, I can see your point. I think Obama is as centrist as we have seen since probably pre-nixon days. It seems we have had pendulus movement with the elections, and it will be a nice change of pace having someone moderately moderate even in the running. I can't say as Im afraid of Hillary, as her handlers won't allow her to get too far out of line either way. Her politics are those of committee, not those of one person. I think you will see Obama pulling a fairly moderate VP as well. I don't think the role of VP will be as powerful ever again, because Bush was never really president. How could you be with Chaney's hand stuffed that far in your ass?

Sam, I would implore you to spend a little time getting to know McCain. You might not find him particularly well suited to the conservative ticket. He is more of a media darling than a true conservative, regardless of what he spews. If you want to really dig deep, look up articles and editorials from Arizona newspapers specifically. He was lauded on his arrival, and administered the boot on the way out of office there. He was highly unpopular toward the end of his tenure, and was considered to be ineffectual as a leader. On the national stage, his policy is truly to continue such pursuits as the Iraq occupation, the concurrent mid-east destabilization we are experiencing now (hillary is doing this as well), and the use of tax breaks for economic stimulus while not reducing spending. This places the burden of debt squarely on your generation, with which the dollar continues to lose value. I can't recommend enough for you to go to europe for a stint, even if it is for a few weeks. See their government and the way in which people live there. Public transport, infrastructure, press, media, all of it has a bias to the people, and commensurately high numbers of SMALL business. Corporations don't have the toehold in government there like they do here, and it benefits the populous tremendously.

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